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Post by brennanpincardiff on Jul 25, 2013 9:42:26 GMT
I have spent some serious money.
A large order with Kilnlinings:
160 x Fire bricks 42GD - 230 x 114 x 64mm
3 x Cement Dry - KLDASC - (To be Mixed with water)
3 x Vermiculite - Loose fill 3-15mm 100ltr bag
1 x LBP HT Blanket 1200GD - 7.32M - 610 x 25mm
4 packs of Foamglas (120mm) from Encon.
All in all the best part of £800.
Money well spent or money wasted? Who knows. I certainly won't know until later this year.
I have taken a week off work to really push the build forward. Hopefully by the end of August it'll be usable.
Ready in time for Sourdough September.
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Post by brennanpincardiff on Jul 25, 2013 9:49:20 GMT
Can someobody confirm that I don't need planning permission to build a brick oven in Cardiff, please?
Thanks,
Paul
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Post by rivergirl on Jul 25, 2013 9:59:09 GMT
A quick phone call to your local council may give you that answer , are there any smoke restrictions ( let's hope that you are not in a smoke free zone!)
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Post by spinal on Jul 25, 2013 10:38:05 GMT
Are you building indoors or outdoor?
Not sure able Cardiff, but in my borough I was told that the smoke-free zone regulations apply to any appliance that is "indoors". As my oven is in the garden, it does not need to comply with the smoke-free zone, and is effectively an outdoor masonry BBQ.
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Post by dunnes2002 on Jul 25, 2013 11:02:14 GMT
I've been keeping tabs on my cost and its come in at £600 so far. This includes all materials a grinder, cement mixer hire etc but I have used reclaimed bricks for the 'support structure' and will be using them for the dome. This saved me a lot as about 250 reclaimed bricks cost me £20!!!!
Good luck, its exciting when everything arrives, I pick up my kilnlinings order tomorrow
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Post by brennanpincardiff on Jul 25, 2013 22:06:23 GMT
Building outdoors.
Contacting the council seems like a good plan.
Thanks for the help.
Paul
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Post by spinal on Jul 26, 2013 8:09:57 GMT
That said, it's all down to this line in the clean air act: Prohibition of dark smoke from chimneys (1) Dark smoke shall not be emitted from a chimney of any building, and if, on any day, dark smoke is so emitted, the occupier of the building shall be guilty of an offence. (2) Dark smoke shall not be emitted from a chimney (not being a chimney of a building) which serves the furnace of any fixed boiler or industrial plant, and if, on any day, dark smoke is so emitted, the person having possession of the boiler or plant shall be guilty of an offence. A WVO is neither an industrial plant or boiler, nor is it part of a building (which has, in itself, very clear definitions). Also, reading further down: (4)In any proceedings for an offence under this section, it shall be a defence to prove— . (a)that the alleged emission was solely due to the lighting up of a furnace which was cold and that all practicable steps had been taken to prevent or minimise the emission of dark smoke; Which covers us for the warmup period of the oven  www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1993/11/part/IYou may still fall foul of The Environmental Protection Act if you are a nuisance - but act responsibly (i.e. use dry wood, don't go wild with smoking out your nehibors, offer them a pizza or two, etc) and you should be fine. M. |
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Post by cannyfradock on Jul 26, 2013 14:52:50 GMT
Paul
It was nice to see Spinal's response as the oven I am building in Abersychan pontypool has also had complaints from the jealous neighbours.
I know that over the 4 or 5 years that the forum has been running there have been a few occasions where complaints have been logged with local authorities .....usually from people who just like to complain. I was about to go through the previous posts to find that legeslation when I saw Spinal's post.
I don't know of any outdoor bread oven that has fallen foul of local authorities. As long as say you will be using kiln dried hardwood and your oven is outside and not attached to your building then you should be OK.
Even in smoke controlled area's like inner London, bread,pizza ovens are allowed as long as they conform to the strict regs which apply to them. These regs (from DEFRA) are what we advise anyway.....i.e...an oven with the height of the dome equal to half it's diameter, with the entrance arch height being 63% (ish) of the dome height. The size of the flue must have a % size equal to the dome's cubic measurements (usually 5" x 5")......and burn only kiln dried hardwood.
There are a few companies which sell Modular ovens which carry certification from DEFRA which can be used in smoke controlled area's like "Dingley Dell" and Jamie Oliver ovens (apart from Jamie's "dome 60")....but I think they have paid a lot to obtain this certification.
If your oven is commercial or....attached to your main building, then, you may have to conform to exacting rules and regs....again no problem. The usual probs occur in this situation with ventelation of the oven vent and ventalation of the room it's within. This is not something I have experienced first hand, but if you want me to pop down and pick my brains (if you can find them), then send me a PM.....I'm only 12 miles down the road.
Terry
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Post by brennanpincardiff on Aug 6, 2013 20:42:15 GMT
Dear Spinal,
That is super info and very useful. I haven't got around to contacting the council yet....
Thanks,
Paul
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Post by muddy4x4 on Aug 8, 2013 11:22:51 GMT
Hi, I have a 1.2m oven built into my mobile pizzeria. I am based in London in a smoke free zone. Part of my getting approved by the council was an inspection from the man responsible for pollution control. As he visited me, I decided to go full hog and started the oven for him. He was very helpful and liked our methods eg. gas poker, no firelighters, kiln dried or composite logs etc and was more than happy. As he said, as a mobile unit, as long as we operate best practice and keep any smoke to an absolute minimum, he has no problems with us. Start bellowing out black smoke and they will be down on us like a ton of bricks.
When discussing fixed ovens in buildings, my borough seems to operate a sensible approach of no smoke, no problems !
Hope that helps !
Muddy
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Post by brennanpincardiff on Aug 13, 2013 18:14:31 GMT
With delivery yesterday from Kilnlinings, I started mocking up my oven. Comments welcome. Anybody know where I can buy some angle iron? Thanks, Paul Attachments:
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Post by brennanpincardiff on Aug 13, 2013 18:15:19 GMT
Thank Muddy for that.
I'm going to go ahead. The neighbours seem happy so I am sure it'll all be fine.
Paul
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Post by rivergirl on Aug 13, 2013 19:28:59 GMT
Paul if all else fails I just saw some on eBay.
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Post by brennanpincardiff on Aug 14, 2013 19:20:10 GMT
Also any thoughts on thermocouples? Worthwhile? Possible to get?
Thanks,
Paul
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Post by cannyfradock on Aug 14, 2013 19:53:25 GMT
Paul
There have been many posts that have gone into a bit of depth on which one's/where to buy/prices etc. If you don't get any feedback use the search facility (4th icon on the top of each page) and type thermocouple in the search box. Click submit/search and you will be shown all threads which have covered that subject.
See you soon...
Terry
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