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Post by baronkev on Mar 15, 2012 9:18:29 GMT
Sorry if my question is depressing but just wanted to know. We recently lost 2 relatives to Cancer within a year so its something that is always on our minds like a niggling fear. What are the Cancer risks associated with a WFO? If smoking meat is a Cancer risk then is baking bread in it also a risk?  Once again sorry if I am asking something upsetting. |
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Post by baronkev on Mar 15, 2012 10:59:09 GMT
Googling about I came cross some worrying reports that smoking food is associated with stomach cancer and they have the statistics. Looks genuine and not a tabloid scare story. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7447916Lots of stuff from all the Cancer Charities saying there is a link to Bowel Cancer. Now Im depressed. |
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Post by benjibong on Mar 15, 2012 11:12:12 GMT
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Post by DuncanM on Mar 15, 2012 13:44:09 GMT
I personally don't think about it although I can understand your position after losing 2 relatives which is very sad to hear.
I wouldn't have thought baking bread would be a problem - when you bake, all the fire has been removed and it's just the retained heat from the bricks - no different to using an internal oven.
A lot of things can cause cancer - a number of which we can't control/monitor or are even aware of.
I'm of the mind; avoid the serious things that are blatent and quick acting (radiation etc) and just learn to love life.
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Post by turkey on Mar 15, 2012 14:28:58 GMT
I would expect the smoked food from that article was consumed daily, and also one has to decide if it could be the smoked meat or that act of smoking it, if they did it in aprartmnets (common in Europe) rather than at the end of their garden they are more likly to have inhaled alot more smoke. So should you cut down on smoked salmon then? ezinearticles.com/?The-3-Things-You-Must-Know-About-Smoked-Salmon&id=132894says it can reduce the risk of male strokes and prostate cancer by 40% and reduces womens change of heart attack by 30% unless its your sole diet I would take almost all of these scare mongering reports with a pinch of salt, baking bread or what ever in an WFO is the same in many ways as using an AGA, you use the wood to heat it, for a proper WFO pizza it should only spend 90 seconds in there, and with bread the fire it out and it is residual heat . |
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Post by Calaf on Mar 15, 2012 16:47:54 GMT
Baronkev, I'm very sorry to hear of your loss.
Like DuncanM and Turkey I try not to worry too much, just enjoy what we have.
The government's medical advisors identify a risk of colorectal (bowel) and stomach cancers with consumption of smoked and processed foods and barbecued, char-grilled or fried meat. I've never heard any concern expressed about bread unless it is charred. (Unfortunately, all the things I like.)
The NHS Direct website has contact information if you want the official medical advice or to speak to someone about your concerns.
All the best.
Mark
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Post by baronkev on Mar 15, 2012 16:58:21 GMT
Thanks for the kind words. Take no notice of me, just being silly. I will avoid the char grilled beef and smoked meats but not sure we can give up bacon.  If only Vegetarianism was more tasty. |
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Post by Terry Hardwood on Mar 15, 2012 17:31:09 GMT
We had someone close to us go through chemo. It was a harrowing time for all but we got through it in the end and made some dietary changes.
If you brush off the charcoal from the bottom of the bread you should be OK.
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Post by rivergirl on Mar 15, 2012 17:46:00 GMT
nobody is being daft if they have had a cancer scare in the family ( most of us have) I have been bbqing for about 40 years and i was looking at this a while ago and just assumed that it was the cremated /raw scenario that sometimes occurs at BBQs we go to. Another point of fact might just be that people only think that they can cook and eat meat at barbies and not veg or fruit .............. and meat does get compacted in the bowel, its just a case of being sensible I think. Also perhpas it is age ?? I am 60 and love smoking brining conco0ting and eating outdoors , I always have so I think if the choice was to continue as I we cook now ( and we eat far more than 5 veggies a day ) or just bung it in the oven , then for us its continue as we are . We are aware of how important our diet is and we do have 2 veggie days a week oh and 7 wine nights  if anyone is feeling worried about cooking outside then please don't feel silly about expressing this fear , |
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Post by Fat Bob on Mar 15, 2012 18:33:11 GMT
Cooking in a wood oven imparts very little smoke to the food compared with food that has been smoked over a long period.
A guy I used to do business with sold flavourings to the food industry he told me some interesting stories about barbecue flavourings that are highly carcogenic. He wouldn't eat them.
Many foods, especially cured meats such as bacon and hot dogs, use nitrates to preserve color and maintain microbial safety. Nitrate is harmless, but it can convert to nitrite, which can form nitrosamines, a powerful cancer-causing chemical, in your body.
Look for nitrate-free preserved meats. Should you chose to eat foods containing nitrates, have a glass of orange juice at the same time (for instance, orange juice). Vitamin C is known to inhibit the conversion to nitrosamines in your stomach.
Vegetarianism is tasty, meat has very little flavour and often needs other flavours such as plant products to give it flavour.
I have been a vegetablist for over 35 years and it is far more exciting and tasty than eating slaughterhouse products and cheaper too, plus healthier!
I don't know where you are in UK but find your nearest Gujerati Vegetarian restaurant and tell me it ain't tasty! If you can get to Leicester go to Bobby's - say the fatman from France sent you and you will be treated like a king!
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Post by matt on Mar 15, 2012 19:26:00 GMT
I've been through chemo. Not nice.
Somehow that experience recalibrated my attitude to life and now i'm less concious of the future and more concerned with enjoying the moment ... even if that moment contains eating a fry up or a massive bag of crisps ;D
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Post by baronkev on Mar 16, 2012 8:22:55 GMT
Thanks rivergirl for those kind words and to everyone. We are not usually worried about health but some days you know it just gets to you and you start reading and worrying. The NHS health line said to avoid blackening food or cooking at too high a temperature. Basicly eat less red meat and cook it for longer and slower. Do not char meat as that is where the cancer causing bad chemicals called Heterocyclic Amines and Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons are formed and can lead to increase in Cancer of the Pancreas Colon Stomach Bladder etc. Heavily smoked meats should be avoided for similar concerns including breast cancer in women and prostate cancer in men. There is some advice about outdoor grilling here www.cancer.org/Cancer/news/Features/a-backyard-chefs-guide-to-healthy-grillingand this www.cancer.org/Cancer/news/News/eating-charred-well-done-meat-may-increase-pancreatic-cancer-riskStay healthy everyone!  |
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Post by gazz_46 on Mar 16, 2012 12:42:15 GMT
Noooo........don't do it.....salt is very bad for you!
Sorry couldnt resist....not very PC of me considering the topic but had to....lighten/lower the tone (delete as applicable)
Lost my mum to "c" when she was still young but my abiding memory of her is a poem printed on a ceramic plate she had in the kitchen and i kept when she passed,it is by Piet Hein circa 1954 & reads;
DO REMEMBER - to forget
anger, worry and regret.
Love while you've got love to give.
Live while you've got life to live.
Chokes me each time i read it but try to adhere to it everyday....... go for it, whatever it may be ...you could get run over trying to get to the vegetablist shop to get ur 5 a day.
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Post by Breadandwine on Mar 16, 2012 18:31:54 GMT
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Post by minesamojito on Mar 16, 2012 20:11:32 GMT
I agree, veggie food is wonderful, I was for 14 years, though I wouldn't look back now.
I still eat lots of veggie food, and there are always lots of veg on the table.
You need to get lots of extra flavours into veggie food, and I use these techniques to help me with my cooking now. I think it's very easy to restrict yourself/get lazy with cooking meat.
Cheers
Marcus
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if anyone is feeling worried about cooking outside then please don't feel silly about expressing this fear , 
