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Post by jagnut on Mar 9, 2016 22:39:24 GMT
cost quotation dense concrete blocks 100mm 7n x77 £68.92 outer bricks for dog kennel type build ect x528 in pack £292.04 vermiculite x5 bags 100 litres £21.03 x2 bulk bags ballast £73.00 x1 bulk bag building sand £36.50 prestressed concrete lintel x4 1500x100x65 £30.96 cement 25 kg bags x15 £63.00 fire cement x5kg £33.90 expamet expanded metal lath sheet 4mm galv 2500x700 x2 £10.52 At present this is the cost for base and side wall (frame) this is with out fire bricks ect this is the first quotation this was quoted 8/3/2016 I think £1000 build cost is out the window if I do not build with brick side wall I could keep the cost down and just render the walls. I will wait for the other quotes , before I decide on build .I hope this answer your question on base build cost structure size 2000mmx1620mmx1000mm this is looking in the direction of £850 before firebricks.
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Post by diggerjones on Mar 9, 2016 22:58:23 GMT
I may be wrong but these prices maybe plus vat, it all adds up to alot anyway you look at it. Buying a bar bq would be a cheaper option for all of us PLUS your vermiculite will be 22 x 5. I got a price for this from my builders merchants today and they quoted 18 + vat so your price is good
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Post by downunderdave on Mar 10, 2016 2:00:44 GMT
Downunderdave I would love to build one as well but the issue of cost is the main drawback. Therefore would you be able to let me know the cost of yours and how close to your 1k limit you got? Perhaps others could advise on costs as well re their ovens? Regards Arnold9801 After building an oven most are keen to have another go but do it better. There's a lot to be said for building a cob oven first. Regarding cost it could be built for zero cost. Providing you keep an oven small (mathematics of increasing volume is a big factor) you can keep both the cost and labour down enormously. I manufacture ovens but was unable to price them under A$1000, although I'm pretty close. As an example of how you can keep costs down if the oven is small, for my build the stand only requires two concrete piers, to support 250 kgs, with the supporting slab cantilevered over them. This requires only 8 stretchers and 8 half blocks with their cost just under A$50 (under 30 of your pounds)
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Post by jagnut on Mar 10, 2016 19:32:35 GMT
hi diggerjones yes your right you would be better of buying a bbq and going down the road and buying your pizza your correct,Its just not the same as to building the oven your self a good challenge and hope fully it works correct hahahah?. and not only that the wife has a new baking oven I think she will be well impressed ?
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Post by cobblerdave on Mar 10, 2016 19:56:00 GMT
G'day The cheapest way to get into the pizza oven experience is with a pizza stone. You can use them in an oven or BBQ or my favouity under the gas grill. Make you own dough and make better pizza than you local for sure. I started making pizza long before I built a wood fired oven. Regards dave
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Post by diggerjones on Mar 10, 2016 22:05:27 GMT
G'day The cheapest way to get into the pizza oven experience is with a pizza stone. You can use them in an oven or BBQ or my favouity under the gas grill. Make you own dough and make better pizza than you local for sure. I started making pizza long before I built a wood fired oven. Regards dave My build is more about having something different and using some materials I have, my daughter is 6 this time and I envision her and mates making pizzas
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Post by arnold9801 on Mar 11, 2016 18:23:25 GMT
Thank you for updating me regarding cost. It really adds to a fantastic challenge in itself of make something as beautiful as a Pompeii oven to do so by looking out for materials that are greatly reduced as they maybe surplus or second hand!
Its understandable that you cant skimp on the firebricks, but saying that there are suppliers of fire bricks here in the uk who sell seconds when they are just chipped on the corners(apparently)?
Would anyone recommend these seconds or not?
Regards
Arnold9801
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Post by chas on Mar 11, 2016 20:47:38 GMT
Thank you for updating me regarding cost. It really adds to a fantastic challenge in itself of make something as beautiful as a Pompeii oven to do so by looking out for materials that are greatly reduced as they maybe surplus or second hand! Its understandable that you cant skimp on the firebricks, but saying that there are suppliers of fire bricks here in the uk who sell seconds when they are just chipped on the corners(apparently)? Would anyone recommend these seconds or not?Regards Arnold9801 Arnold, I think you're in danger of losing perspective in your research for the ideal... on this forum you'll see ovens built from handfuls of clay dug from the garden. You don't 'need' firebricks, you can easily skimp if you want to cos it's not skimping - you just need something stable that will last a few years. Of course seconds will do. Old beaten-up soft red bricks costing nothing will do. It's probably wise to be consistent and not mix bricks, but at a push, that would do too. My chosen 'glue' was clay as there's no point in using a brick that's harder than the mortar. The bricks were an accumulation of freebies and not all the same size. Clay is cheap and easier to lay bricks into a dome with. Chas
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Post by downunderdave on Mar 12, 2016 5:33:04 GMT
Thank you for updating me regarding cost. It really adds to a fantastic challenge in itself of make something as beautiful as a Pompeii oven to do so by looking out for materials that are greatly reduced as they maybe surplus or second hand! Its understandable that you cant skimp on the firebricks, but saying that there are suppliers of fire bricks here in the uk who sell seconds when they are just chipped on the corners(apparently)? Would anyone recommend these seconds or not?Regards Arnold9801 Arnold, I think you're in danger of losing perspective in your research for the ideal... on this forum you'll see ovens built from handfuls of clay dug from the garden. You don't 'need' firebricks, you can easily skimp if you want to cos it's not skimping - you just need something stable that will last a few years. Of course seconds will do. Old beaten-up soft red bricks costing nothing will do. It's probably wise to be consistent and not mix bricks, but at a push, that would do too. My chosen 'glue' was clay as there's no point in using a brick that's harder than the mortar. The bricks were an accumulation of freebies and not all the same size. Clay is cheap and easier to lay bricks into a dome with. Chas I'd endorse that too Chas. Fire brick for the floor if you can get some though, because the floor bricks take more of a beating re heat cycling than the dome though. I'd disagree with your comment about the strength of the mortar though. "There's no point in using a brick that harder than the mortar". I think it's the other way around Mortars should be weaker than the units they separate so failure will be in the mortar joints rather than the bricks.
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Post by jagnut on Mar 20, 2016 17:09:37 GMT
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Post by jagnut on Mar 20, 2016 17:11:14 GMT
that's it production has started on build and building of jigs
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Post by diggerjones on Mar 20, 2016 19:46:04 GMT
Bit of fabrication going on there. On mine I used a very poor version for the first few courses then I did it free hand. My thinking it doesn't have to be that accurate as long as the height is something like.
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Post by jagnut on Mar 26, 2016 17:27:35 GMT
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Post by diggerjones on Mar 26, 2016 20:37:04 GMT
Good start, how many brick lines do one need!!! Why wait, get straight on it in the morning, concrete will be fine
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Post by jagnut on Mar 26, 2016 23:07:16 GMT
I have to wait to bye the bricks and blocks .The brick lines are for stock I all ways bye in bulk. Nice colour so I can see them haha.
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